Thursday, January 14, 2010

Finally, someone explains why Republicans hate government so much

This is a really simple explanation of why Republicans hate government so much - they suck at it. Have you ever noticed that when Republicans are in charge, government goes to hell in a hand basket? Katrina is the perfect example. Clinton had a FEMA that actually worked. George W. Bush, well, not so much.

Representative Alan Grayson has got it all figured out and pointed out the obvious on the floor of the House of Representatives recently.

15 comments:

vomamike said...

Mr. Greyson explains it pretty well. I might add that Republicans drink the cool aid and believe in 'laissez faire capitalism' & trickle down economics - and can't believe it is a failure.

djtyg said...

He's awesome.

Did you guys hear the beginning? Somebody said "I love horses, I don't beat horses!" I'm curious as to what that was about.

Silverfiddle said...

Like most errors, our current government is a good thing overdone.

Here's a clue for both parties: If you can't afford it, don't do it.

djtyg said...

Here's the thing, Silverfiddle:

We can afford it. They just don't have the guts to do what needs to get done to get the money.

vomamike said...

silverfiddle - what is overdone, is the belief that by dropping regulations and dropping taxes for the rich, you will help the middle class. Fact is all it has done has made the rich - richer and desimated the middle class. We are on a downward spiral of wages, yet giving the rich - unfettered increase in their incomes. Roll back the taxes to pre-Reagan era - reinstall Class-Steagall - do away with GAT & NAFTA and drop out of the WTO. We must get away from this 'plantation mentality'. Really there are simple things that in the aggragate will lift the middle class up but as long as we dwell on stupid things that do nothing for the middle class - we will suffer financially.

Silverfiddle said...

Rich people is where the jobs come from.

The only thing we agree on in Glass Steagall.

What gives you so much faith in government?

djtyg said...

If rich people are supposed to be providing jobs, and we're in a recession, then they should be taxed for not doing the job they're supposed to do. Then you take the tax dollars and use them to create jobs.

When the rich start providing jobs, maybe they won't have to be taxed as much.

Silverfiddle said...

In place like Argentina they actually implemented your idea.

Do some googling and see how that turned out...

djtyg said...

They did it in Brazil, too.

Their economy is booming.

djtyg said...

Forgot to add:

America also did it in the 1950's.

Silverfiddle said...

The Brazilian government did not "take money from business and create jobs." They lowered taxes and created an attractive business climate.

Papa Silverfiddle used to go down there every so often to help them with their manufacturing. Brazilians are wonderful people, btw...

djtyg said...

Actually they have a progressive income tax that they used to create jobs by giving people low cost government loans.

vomamike said...

Silverfiddle - I beg to differ with you on your statement that "rich people" make jobs. Jobs come from a market driven society. The more the middle class make, the more they spend, and the more they spend, the more jobs that spending creates. You do not create very many jobs when all you do with your wealth is invest in the stock market. Making money with money is all the rich do. It is we in the middle class that SPEND our capital and thereby create jobs with our spending.

Now as for your question, "what gives you so much faith in government?" The answer is simple - government is US. In theory, we elect a representative body to do our bidding. In practice, what has happened, is the rich have so much disposable wealth, that they are able to buy off too much of that representation. Big business has more than ample representation in our government, and over the past 30 years, we in the middle class have lost genuine representation. We have become a "plantation populace". It gets much more complicated then that, but in essence - that is what has happened. We must learn that voting ONLY for hot button issues like guns, abortion, taxes, etc, etc do NOTHING to advance the needs of the middle class. By adopting these 'straw man' issues, the Republican Party - and some Democrats have enabled the rich to gain and maintain a stranglehold on our aspirations, income and equality. Far too many of you so called 'conservatives' drink that cool aid and end up voting AGAINST your best interests. And the rich are laughing all the way to the bank.

Silverfiddle said...

We agree about big money interests having too much influence in government, but (outside of a few honest ones like Dennis Kucinich and Bernie Sanders) this is a Democratic problem as well.

Where do those middle class people get their money? Economies prosper where capitalist have capital to lend to those who want to expand. An economy does not grow by people selling pencils and groceries to one another.

Look anywhere in the world where there is no capital formation and you will see poverty and economic stagnation.

I am not defending greedy banksters, but what do you think happens to the money in the stock market? It's used by businesses who may use it for ill purposes, but under normal circumstances use it to expand, creating jobs.

Why do you think even China has a stock market? Our capitalist system works, but the cronies have jacked it.

Bruce Fealk said...

The problem in America is that capitalism is running amok. Lack of regulations and then corporations trying to end run around all well-intentioned regulation is bankrupting our system.

The differences between the haves and the have-nots is totally out of whack and the middle class is being destroyed by the greedy bastards at the top.

We are in a race to the bottom. Capitalists think that the way to make America more profitable is to drive wages down to the levels in third world countries.

America prospers when its middle class prospers, not when the elite rich people are getting multi million dollar bonuses.

We need to focus on rebuilding America's middle class, period, even if it means taxing the wealthy at much higher rates.